The Frizzle Poland was created in Holland by Mr. Airie Bolan. His inspiration came from a painting by Van Gink, a Famous Artist. It started with the use of long legged Japanese Bantam Frizzle. It took several years to create; but, between 1989 through 1991, the Frizzle Poland was recognised giving us a superb new breed. Today the popularity of the Frizzle Poland is extremely high and is now also standardised by the British Poultry Club.
Frizzles and Lethal Gene
Prior to 1930 the gene causing frizzled feathers was thought to be a lethal gene. Studies done by Hutt & also Landauer & Dunn in that year show this was not the case. The homozygotes (carrying both genes the same) for this trait, have feathers which are too curled, sometimes
referred to as over frizzled) the feathers tend to break off easily leaving bald patches. These birds are usually killed as not viable.
There is also a gene which modifies this trait so in the presence of the modifier the omozygous frizzle bird may have feathering which is not quite so bad. The frizzling gene is what is known as incompletely dominant this means that the heterozygotes (carrying different genes for the trait) will have an intermediate appearance. It is heterozygous birds, carrying one gene for frizzling & the other gene for normal feathering which gives the frizzle appearance we usually see. The curling of the feathers being much less severe. The modifying genes when present can cause these birds to appear to have normal or almost normal feathering. To avoid homozygous frizzle birds it is advisable to mate normal frizzle (which is heterozygous for the trait) with normal feathered birds.
Question
I wanted to tell you my experiences and ask what you think. Last night I found a 21 month old frizzle hen dead. last year I had to put a frizzle down that had a paralyzed leg and could not function with only one limb. This year I put down a frizzle chick who failed to thrive and had a terribly distended belly. I isolated a 3 week old frizzle who was showing signs of weakness in one leg. When I hatch frizzles there is always one, but usually more, that are fully developed but do not hatch. I don't think it is my incubator humidity, because
others hatch and only the frizzles don't. Is the lethal gene causing these problems, and is it
something you just have to expect with frizzles?
ANSWER
well with quite a few thousand frizzles hatched and raised I must say I never in all the yrs had ANY that had these problems.
(1 first I think they are inbred toooooo much
(2 I don't feel her not developing frizzles has any thing to do with a lethal gene.
(3 personally never heard that there was one.
(4 when a bird does not finish in the incubator it is either out of a young pullet and will not have the strength to finish growing to hatching.
(5 also the using of the show frizzle Ff to a Smooth ff( bird out of frizzle mating but has regular lay of feathers) they will be 1/2 Ff and 1/2 ff no extreme frizzling FF
(6 which is what a good frizzle breeder wants .
(7 I just used my Smooths ff mated to my frizzle rooster Ff and that was it. The frizzle females Ff were shown only.
(8 this lady definetly has too much inbreeding and would be good if she took and brought in a new line of regular feathered females (RF)no frizzling in back ground.Then used each line of offspring to come back on the frizzle male for the F-1 and F-2 And F-3 generatiosn.
(9 then she has 4 lines as each femlae is a seperate line. If it is too much for the male to handle do this (9a take each female and put in seprate pens.(B move the one male (preferably no older than 1 yr cock- so he lives 3 more yrs to breed back to F-1,F-2,F-3 females each one from different lines)
(9b Now move the male each day to a different females pen, allowing him to mate with the one per day. Thus making each female fertilized every 4 days. Will do okay
(10 also may I suggest if these are cochins that you take each bird and defeather a 3 inch circle on the vent area of BOTH the male and females. (10b softly gently pulling one by one the feathers. This makes for the vents mating good, not having the sperm left on the feathers around the vent. Not allowing the females vent to pull in the sperm.
(11 now the reason the smooths ff work in mating is they have a modifier that makes them be better than the FfxFf. The FfxFf will only make FF in yrs to come.
(12 after she mates the RF x Ff she should get several good Ff that can be mated back to the frizzle male Ff for 3 generations. Also I would use the ff that come out of the matings to be on a Ff male and then keep these smooths in F-1 F-2 F-3 etc as good breeding birds.
(13 she doesn't say she is using Ff but if she is she is taking more from the time and money raising and incubating these than it is necessary
(14 the mating of Smooths ff x frizzles Ff is much better and cuts to the chase as far as saving or destroying any FF.
(15 she will find the blood infused in her Ff will make a difference in the liveability of these birds.
(16 also the paralysis is due to inbreeding, not strong birds and yes it is a form of mareks due to stress Inbreeding casue birds to succumb to stress and mareks can and is brought on by stress all birds have marek genes but high heat and low cold bring it on in both young and adult birds.
I never ever kept a bird that shouwed symptoms as it only leads to more. Feather legs are the worst for mareks. That is how the mareks vaccine was discovered as a lady with cochins in hot florida helped see to it being made.
Glenda Haywood, National Frizzle club of America
breed smooth ( a bird that is out of frizzling parentage
not a straight which has no frizzle genetics.) to a frizzle (full blown feathering that is frizzle)
will give at least 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 smooths and NO curlies ie extreme frizzle.
Now when one has bred frizzle to smooth for several yrs at least 5 YES you can breed smooth to smooth
and get some frizzles. Small percentage.
The smooths have a modifier gene for frizzling it may be recessive but it is there.
now when breeding a straight feather bird ie: no frizzle gene to a Frizzle( full blown frizzle feathers) you will get a percentage of frizzles and the smooth only have 1/2 frizzle gene in F-1
so then you can breed the frizzle back to a frizzle for about three yrs and in the 4th gneration stop breeding frizzle to frizzle. The genes are set and dominant, in the f-2 & f-3 generation all smooths are getting towards full frizzle genes modifiers.
you see they only pick up 1/4 frizzle genetics each generation.
do not breed back to a straight as it demerits the frizzle gene and adds more straight feathered genes in the pool.
As for male and female it does not determine the sex just the amount of frizzling.
to those that have not bred frizzles and kept records as I have well I guess you all just got to take my
word for it. The original question was:
If I breed a smooth frizzle to a frizzle will I get a curly or a regular frizzle?
I'm wondering since the smooth frizzle already carries the frizzle gene.
Answer
No you will not get any curly's ie extreme frizzles. You will only get frizzle FF & smooth ff.
so go for it. extreme frizzle ie: curlies are birds that the frizzling has been done for several generations and has made the frizzle feathering tight narrow and wet looking. and the birds may not even have 25 feather folicle holes to grow feathers. a waste of space and money and got to be disposed of. neither heat or cold can it withstand.
Glenda Haywood
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