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The abductions might also be alluded to in Joel 2 as this same invading army of Rev 9. In this description, "they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief." They need something from the genetic makeup of mankind. They extract this stealthily in the night. These creatures seem to only operate in the darkness of night in clandestine, sneaky ways. Also, in this text, Joel describes an army that is not your normal earthly one. Here is another rendering, going back to the original languages, using other proper variables of word use. "A day of ignorance and concealment, a day of practiced magic and the lowering of high things, as the dawn spreads out upon the mountains, a huge abundant congregated mighty people come into existence that has never been before and shall never be after… and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded." Joel 2:1, 2, 8.
This is not a normal army but rather some neither world army of darkness! This invasion is not even a single event. The Apostle Jude mentions these same beings as a clandestine infiltration causing disorder and creating lies against God all throughout the history of mankind..
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, WHO WERE BEFORE OF OLD ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men turning the grace of God, and our Lord Jesus Christ,, Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities...But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them for they have gone the way of Cain...These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: CLOUDS are they WITHOUT WATER, carried about of winds: trees whose fruit withers, without fruit, TWICE DEAD, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out of their own shame; WANDERING STARS, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, "Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment..." Jude 4,8,10,12-14, (emphasis mine)
Now, in context, it is rather hard to see these people as mortal human beings. Let’s review the evidence as stated in Jude1.
who were of old, - Not liking the appearance of what this means, the preferred accepted rendering of today is said to mean, who were written about of old. Implied from this it is the sense that these were not the ones of old (solely based on belief that this isimpossible) but rather just written about of old. In the Greek, this phrase implies that those who were written of old are the same characters Jude describes in context of his letter. They are clearly the same ones of Old!
2.Ordained to this condemnation - In this sense, these men mentioned are part of the old, and are destined to fulfil this role. Why? Because they are something that should have never been in the first place, and unredeemable.
3. Clouds without water- Defines the last statement! This could have a dual meaning. First they are compared to as a cloud without water. A cloud is composed of water vapor. The indication here can only mean they are something similar, only in appearance and not composition. Water is also symbolic of the spirit. This could also be implying that this is a vessel without a spirit.
4. Twice dead- This can be referring to the opposite of the idea of being twice born, to be born once in the flesh, and again once in the spirit. The saying goes, "Born once, die twice, Born twice die once." To be dead twice, in this sense, is to be dead spiritually, and to have already been dead once before the flood! The same men of old, men of renown.
5. Wandering stars - This is a term for fallen angels. In the broadest sense, the term can mean any messenger. But again in this context the same judgement imposed upon the "angels that sinned" is mentioned here also, the blackness of eternal darkness forever.
The rendering of the term "strong delusion" of 2Thessalonians 2:11 is more accurately defined as "wandering error". The same wandering error sent by God for all to believe that will not believe in him. This suggests GOD is still in control! Even to something as horrible as this!
The text here reviews and uses every term for these beings called the men of renown, of which a judgment was given, and a destiny to fulfill at the end of time. Clearly these are not mere ungodly human beings that are spoken of here. Jude concludes that these are the same ones that Enoch prophesied against before the flood. This mention overlaps the already mentioned rebels and their offspring. They have sown discord, rebellion and inspired false doctrine and worship. This is the outcome of a plan. We have to go back to a time before the Great Flood to understand just what has happened then, and how abductions assist in this plan today.
The prophet Isaiah describes the resurrection and reminds the people that the disembodied spirits that died in the flood will have no part in any resurrection. But they are visited, and something supernatural happens.
"Oh Lord our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: (better rendered: married unto us) but by thee only will we make mention of thy name. They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, (rapha) they shall not rise: therefore thou visited and destroyed them, and made their memory to perish." Isaiah 26:13,14
The word Paqad for visited, has a very wide meaning; the most common use is that of drawing or mustering up an army. The second is one of a supernatural intervention of the natural course of events. Sarah was "visited" by an angel of the Lord and conceived well past the natural child bearing age. (Gen 21:1) I believe the meaning here is twofold. It is a divine intervention of a normal process to allow for a resurrection of these giants, the angels that sinned and their offspring, for the express purpose to be mustered up as an army to their final destruction. This idea is further described in Joel 2 and Rev 9.
As it is with many prophetic scriptures, this prophetic address jumps from a present condition, into an event some time in the future, that includes their eventual demise. This obviously has not yet happened, but it is spoken in the past tense. Understanding events from God’s perspective, it has already happened. For us, in a linear time frame, it is still a future event.
These invisible "ghosts of the Giants" are just one group of rebels with a problem. There are the rest of the fallen angels, who also have a problem as fugitives on the run.
Joel 2 sounds like some demonic army that is coming upon the land...
Joel 2:1-12
2:1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
5Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Then the LORD shows up!!!!
11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
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