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Depression

5-23-05 question

Hi,

I am new to this forum and I have some questions on antidepression medication.  I am on one right now and it does not really seem to be doing what it is suppose to.  (I take wellbutrin XL) and the doctor wanted to give me another called celexa on top of the wellbutrin.  I have been sad most of my teen through adulthood life, not all the time but I can't seem to shake the sadness and the anger.  Does anyone have any suggestion on what I could take that is natural?  Oh and by the way I can't really take antidepression meds.  I have tried almost all of them.  My system can't handle being in a state of la la land.  What I mean by that is that it makes me very unresponsive to life.  I want to do nothing but sit on the couch and stare off into space.
 
Thanks
freaked  
Tonyasue
 

Well, you've gotten a lot of good info on the lef.org forum

The Life Extension Foundation Forums > LEF Public Forums > Disorders/Diseases >

I've looked into a chemical that causes central nervous system damage depression, sleeplessness, rage (actually mimics true psychiatric disorder).  I suspect it is the cause of chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome (and an exposure to our first gulf war vets).  These look the same to me ... so I do suspect that the most probable cause of 'gulf war syndrome' is 2-butoxyethanol poisoning.

The reason I looked into this was because someone in my family was a bioremediation worker on the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup in 1989 and the chemical of concern in Inipol EAP 22 was 2-butoxyethanol.  It was about 10 months later that I noticed that the 'gulf war syndrome' vets looked the same in the headaches ... in the fatigue ... in lots of things.

You could get too much exposure at any age.  You can get some effects before birth if your parent/s were harmed by it.  In my opinion it is the cause of a pandemic, unrecognized health crisis in our nation since the 1930s to the present day.  Some ways to recognize it .

Often a direct exposure looks like the flu, and doctors think  you have some virus.  It is not a virus.  It may be this chemical's poisoning.  I am so sensitive to it, that I get instant diarrhea when around the fumes in paint or in cleaning products.  (A sign to me to STOP any more exposure ... or worse health ailments could happen.)

A medic of the EVOS shared with me that a medication for depression has actually helped him sleep a normal night's sleep when he takes just 1/4 dose per his doctor's prescription.  It is  'Remeron' or openExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/mirtazapine.htm" target=_blank>Mirtazapine  openExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/mirtazapine.htm" target=_blank> http://home.gci.net/~blessing<WBR>/pages/mirtazapine.htm   If you are taking any medications that don't do what you think they should, ask your doctor how to get off as soon as possible.  If you have too much of some kind of chemical, you don't want to add more chemicals.  Each person can only take so much before allergies and other such add on harm would start up.

 

My past experience with antidepressants such as cellexa or Wellbutrin was that they weren't very effective in solving the problem, but on the other hand, created other problems such as dizziness, tremors and stomach aches, (just to mention a few).

I've become convinced over the years that taking man-made chemical compounds (such as drugs) to solve chronic problems is just asking for trouble - most of them haven't been around long enough for us to really know what the long term effects from prolonged use really are, yet they have their place (such as insulin for diabetics) 
harley-quinn 

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Amen to that

 
And I strongly suggest that any meds that are not working for you ... that you stop taking.  For those whose ailments are from chemical exposure/s ... taking other chemicals, per toxicologists, is a "no, no"  (Aren't meds chemicals, too?)
 
I am reminded of Senator Gordon Smith of Oregon whose son committed suicide from the severe depression he had. Sen Gordon Smith  Then the Senator mentions there are 4 people in his family with Parkinson's.  I suspect the chemical exposure that could cause all of these things is exposure in war times to the chemicals of war (must be something like 2-butoxyethanol & those vapors get in soldiers' eyes) and of course, it is a very prevalent chemical exposure from the 1930s on ...
 
It is THE autoimmune causing chemical, if you ask me
 
Diabetes - autoimmune There is even an autoimmune aspect to type II diabetes that I suspect it for & many hormonal/glandular issues
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