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Spontaneous Infertility is an Autoimmune Condition
I never heard of this before; but it would fit the pattern of 2-butoxyethanol harm & if so, stopping the autoimmune function may restore?
Also found that Type 2 Diabetes is on this list (source Lef.org) I thought it should be because blood sugar going high can be a 'right now' sign of an acute exposure to 2-butoxyethanol. What causes high or low blood pressure, I'm not sure, but that could be a secondary harm, too.
Actually, kids of parents harmed may come up with some of these, too, without directly having the fatigue, that's my thought at this time, anyway.
Why fatigue?
Anyone able to help figure this out?
immunoglobulin A, B and M. Since I believe the immune dysfunction (that of being autoimmune) is the primary harm, maybe someone can decipher this for the rest of us?
Did you hear recently about the three soldiers who died after 'flu-like' symptoms? I really do suspect THIS chemical | | Just curious, but may I ask if you have any background in medical/chemistry/haz-mat./bio-research or such. If it's none of my business, then no problem. I've read several of your posts and was just wondering what influenced your opinions on the chemicals and illnesses you keep mentioning.
I do commend your concern regarding possible connections between certain materials and resulting illnesses. I went through haz-mat. training as a young NCO and environmental courses and spent about one year as an environmental coordinator tracking MSDS and accident prevention/control and such responsibilities in a heavy armor brigade while I was getting my staff time; so I have a pretty good awareness that some chemicals we use are pretty harmful, whether from accumulated exposure or otherwise.
Now, about some of the theories you're proposing. You make several mentions of military related cases and points. As a service member, I feel able to play devil's advocate with confidence.
One of the chemicals you refer to is 2-butoxyethanol. Let's say that it is in fuels, solvents, and generally in common materials used by soldiers for transportation and/or equipment maintenance. (I know longer have MSDS books, so if it is actually in foot powder and pesticides or paint and glue or whatever, then correct me.) You say soldiers returning from combat zones suffer illness from exposure to 2-butoxyethanol while in that combat zone. Like illnesses from the Gulf War and Vietnam. Well, practically nothing we use for normal duty in combat is anything different during war than it is from training for war. The same safety/handling procedures, the same safety/application equipment, even the same amount of exposure, is basically the same during peace time. We train all year every year with the same stuff that we fight with. I would say that petroleum, oils, lubricants, solvents etc are not the cause for these 'war syndromes'. If so, your car mechanic would have "Gulf War illness".
You have to look for what is present in combat zones that is not in training areas. Examples: Agent-orange in Vietnam. Hastily de-milled chemical weapons and experimental drugs in the gulf. What is in Agent-orange? The contents of chemical weapons is mostly secret; not to mention the hopeless record keeping from Iraqis makes it uncertain what exact weapons were destroyed in that region. I bet those experimental drug's contents is not being made public. (I knew a troop whose medical record had "Desert Storm Dosage" written on a page dated from '91. At that time we talked about that in '98, that was the only written info he had on the pills his unit was taking during that war.)
Not only do you have to worry about other services spraying the air and ground with toxins and being made to inadvertantly ingest pills that the FDA never heard of. Then there are the bio-hazards in remote areas that are unknown of. You wouldn't think there would be many germs thriving out in a sun-blasted, bone-dry, wind-swept waste of glabal surface space, but apperntly there are; just about everyone coming in gets sick with something until their body adjusts. It only gets worse when you get up to those putrid filthy cities and towns in Iraq. I imagine Vietnam and other places were just as dirty. A body originating from a clean American living is really vulnerable when thrust into an environment where sewage dries in the street causing fecal dust to be inhaled, flies come from dead meat to your food, and mass populations host bacteria/viruses to be vectored to you that don't exist in N. America. Those are not Las Vegas odds that some service members will get their systems ravaged by things that the docs have no experience in America with diagnosing.
So, IMO the chemicals you warn of may be very bad, but there is a lot of data pointing to other sources for military illnesses. Not saying you are wrong, but I believe you need more proof.
If you are going to be heard by decision makers, you need people credited in that field you are voicing opinions about who will verify the data and propose theories and courses of actions that offer solutions.
"Coming to a table empty handed is the worst way to get offered a seat."
"No conculsion is ever final so long as any possibility for future research still exists." delta13soultaker | Quote: | If so, your car mechanic would have "Gulf War illness" | Yes, this is precisely what my theory is.
And, by the way, it is more likely the same chemical that is the primary harm to the Vietnam vet, based on the list of what it causes & the list I've seen shared on what's happened to the Vietnam vet. Dioxin is getting way too much hype, for what it would actually do.
So, if this chemical has been harming people in and out of the military & in and out of war time, for that matter, why was the gulf war 90-91 such a stand out? Because the scuds and Patriot Missles spewed the rocket propellants in the air, and contaminated many. Worst exposure is vapors in the eyes. Plus the 'usual'
I have no influence. I have no proof, other than 'anecdotal' info. But I hope people who do have these will look into the whole picture, and start recognizing what 2-butoxyethanol does do.
And that we can stop exposures to those who don't have to go down this road. Like these 3 soldiers who died recently. That's what I suspect caused their harm, though I do not know in what fashion they came across it.
And that we can find help for the autoimmune immune system
Since type 2 diabetes is also autoimmune, and shows up later in life, as do brain tumors....probably a thing for baby boomers of WWII soldiers, etc (& non military) to deal with (?)
Proof.... what are the biomarkers of this chemical's harm? At a minimum immature red blood cells; blood in urine in early years ... and a retic rate that goes high and over the years ... low ... but not much of any change in the CBC or basic blood info. That's why they don't find THE FATIGUE
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